Gillian Keegan Shares Perspectives on Policy Challenges in Interview with Cast from Clay
The interview, conducted by Cast from Clay’s CEO Tom Hashemi, explores the realities of influencing policy from within government and the unique pressures faced by ministers tasked with delivering complex policy agendas.
In the conversation, Keegan reflects on her experience navigating the intricate landscape of UK policymaking, highlighting the ongoing negotiation between government departments and the Treasury, and the difficulty of making sense of policy submissions as a minister.
“Being a minister is a weird old role,” Keegan notes. “You’re unlikely to have deep background on your brief, and sometimes it is impossible to make sense of it when you get submissions representing micro bits of policy being presented to you by civil servants.” She compares the challenge to assembling a jigsaw puzzle without the cover image, emphasising the importance of understanding the broader context of policy decisions.
The interview also addresses the skepticism within government about long-term policy investments and the need for robust evidence to secure funding. Keegan explains that while many cases presented to the Treasury promise future savings, decision-makers require more than theoretical arguments—often demanding pilots or randomised control trials to support proposals.
“What you’ll realise is that a lot of civil servants, as well as trying to get their policy through in difficult political circumstances, are also in this giant continuous negotiation with the Treasury,” Keegan says. “They’re making sure they’ve got enough negotiating pieces to get the money released, or keep it in the department for future use.”
The full interview with The Rt Hon Gillian Keegan is available online at: https://policyunstuck.castfromclay.co.uk/p/it-possibly-lost-me-my-seat-but-gillian-keegan
Stephen Ramotowski
Cast from Clay
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